Comments on: Why Israel Can’t Survive http://iamjustwondering.net/2008/05/12/why-israel-cant-survive/ "Concepts create idols, only wonder grasps anything." - Gregory of Nyssa Wed, 21 Jul 2010 08:51:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Erik http://iamjustwondering.net/2008/05/12/why-israel-cant-survive/#comment-699 Erik Tue, 13 May 2008 17:32:10 +0000 http://justwondering.wordpress.com/?p=374#comment-699 Thanks Donna for your encouraging comment. It is so true I think that the driving forces of any war is most commonly linked to economic greed and nationalistic pride. I can remember in Brian McLaren's last book 'Everything Must Change' the comments he made towards the uses of military being better suited for humanitarian relief then violent action. Perhaps, that is my Canadianism kicking in though. At the same time with regards to non-violent actions, how far as good Samaritans do we take the stance of helping the needy at the ignorance of the oppressors? For example, I think of the people in Myanmar who are in desperate need of International relief and yet their government refuses to let foreign aid come in and "bottle necks" any supplies to self appointed agendas and subjects. Yes, the supplies still need to come in but does that exclude the ethical mandate to commit to action? You are right and I thank you for the encouragement to look deeper into the issues faced by Israel and Palestine. In truth, I feel a little "new" to the conversation and my heart tends to get pulled to so many International and Local issues. I don't mean to take the simple road. I simply find it difficult in deciding which issues seems most important or pertinent. In most cases my heart falls to the context of the moment and the need for the individual or grouped people rather then the political overhead. Thanks for your thoughts Donna! Thanks Donna for your encouraging comment. It is so true I think that the driving forces of any war is most commonly linked to economic greed and nationalistic pride. I can remember in Brian McLaren’s last book ‘Everything Must Change’ the comments he made towards the uses of military being better suited for humanitarian relief then violent action. Perhaps, that is my Canadianism kicking in though.

At the same time with regards to non-violent actions, how far as good Samaritans do we take the stance of helping the needy at the ignorance of the oppressors? For example, I think of the people in Myanmar who are in desperate need of International relief and yet their government refuses to let foreign aid come in and “bottle necks” any supplies to self appointed agendas and subjects. Yes, the supplies still need to come in but does that exclude the ethical mandate to commit to action?

You are right and I thank you for the encouragement to look deeper into the issues faced by Israel and Palestine. In truth, I feel a little “new” to the conversation and my heart tends to get pulled to so many International and Local issues. I don’t mean to take the simple road. I simply find it difficult in deciding which issues seems most important or pertinent. In most cases my heart falls to the context of the moment and the need for the individual or grouped people rather then the political overhead.

Thanks for your thoughts Donna!

]]> By: Donna http://iamjustwondering.net/2008/05/12/why-israel-cant-survive/#comment-698 Donna Tue, 13 May 2008 15:10:46 +0000 http://justwondering.wordpress.com/?p=374#comment-698 When will the PTSD of a 7-year-old (or the murder of that 7-year-old or the mother of that 7-year-old) be of more concern than any interest of either side. I'm with you 100 percent. Many will accuse us of being naive, but I think that the mind-set of NOTHING being worth murdering in war or any other way. Now maybe I'm taking that further than you wanted. But to me the issue is wanting peace and practicing love above all else. However, I also would challenge you to know what the issues are. It's too easy to say, "I find myself highly removed from engaging in in-depth reasoning..." Why? Seek resources on both sides and form an opinion. I personally see the situation as a mirror of the way my white ancestors murdered and kicked around my Native American ancestors, and I favor Israel returning to its 1967 borders or at least halting the CONTINUING taking of land, but in any case, I don't believe the governments on either side really want peace. Ain't no money or power to be had in peace. I appreciate the thought of just wanting peace and not getting caught up in the conflicting views, but I do think it's worth your time to look into what the conflict is all about. Just a few random ramblings on my part. Thanks for your blog. When will the PTSD of a 7-year-old (or the murder of that 7-year-old or the mother of that 7-year-old) be of more concern than any interest of either side. I’m with you 100 percent. Many will accuse us of being naive, but I think that the mind-set of NOTHING being worth murdering in war or any other way. Now maybe I’m taking that further than you wanted. But to me the issue is wanting peace and practicing love above all else.

However, I also would challenge you to know what the issues are. It’s too easy to say, “I find myself highly removed from engaging in in-depth reasoning…” Why? Seek resources on both sides and form an opinion. I personally see the situation as a mirror of the way my white ancestors murdered and kicked around my Native American ancestors, and I favor Israel returning to its 1967 borders or at least halting the CONTINUING taking of land, but in any case, I don’t believe the governments on either side really want peace. Ain’t no money or power to be had in peace.

I appreciate the thought of just wanting peace and not getting caught up in the conflicting views, but I do think it’s worth your time to look into what the conflict is all about.

Just a few random ramblings on my part. Thanks for your blog.

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